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hej ford drenge..

Har lige fået at vide en amerikansk 4,0liter v6 og en tysk v6 har samme blok??

Hvad og hvordan?? den største tysker jeg kender er 2,9/3,0


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Muligvis en anden krumtap så slaglængden bliver anderledes... eneste ting jeg kan komme i tanke om... :)

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Nej det er ikke samme blok - men der er mange ligheder

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Nej det er ikke samme blok - men der er mange ligheder

Ligheder for øjet eller på mål? er det en tysk v6 der er større end dem jeg kender eller de 2,9/3,0 fra sierra/scorpio??

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Ford US Motor, 4.0, samme blok som tysk v6, komplet dog uden styreboks. Den vil gå i bukserne på Harry, hvis den kommer i hans Taunus


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Er der en Cologne vi snakker om er det lidt info her:

www.babcox.com/editorial/ar/ar40123.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cologne_V6_engine


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fine link... forstår det som om det er ens ydre med en 2,9 så det kunne da nok virke i en xr4...

Og så burde det jo bare være at smide et par 24v topstykker på så er det 250suge heste uden at røre ved noget...

eller er jeg helt i skoven??


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Motor blokken hedder cologne og det er samme blok helt tilbage til da den hed 2,8 granada blokken er den samme både i 2,8 2,9 4,0 ikke i 3,0 der hedder den essax og er helt anderledens ,af samme grund ligge 2,9 24v svage punkt i blokken da det var fords krav til cosworth at de skulle beholde den orignale blok den gang de byggede 2,9 24v scorpio cosworth .

Kan ikke lige husk hvor meget det er 4,0 kan yde men har en kammi i england der har tunet meget på dem og de har et fantastisk moment.


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Smid heller 2,9 24v cosworth motoren .HVis du smiden den gamle model i der hedder boa og montere knasterne fra den nye model bob. fjerne katalysator yder den 246 hk . montere du tryk på fuldstændig standard motor med 0,3 ladetryk har ´du 297 og 386nm gør du som min kammi og derefter montere en prgbar box i dette tilfælde brugte han vems, så har du 347 ca ved 0,3 stadig på standard motor . sådan gik det i hvertfald på min kammi´s


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Taunus / Cologne V4/V6

The V4 engine was originally designed in the USA for a new car that was cancelled before it reached production. This engine was then fitted to a number of German Ford models, but was not fitted in any Ford model produced for the UK market. It was available in capacities of 1183cc, 1288cc, 1305cc, 1498cc and 1699cc. The V6 engine was introduced later in sizes of 1812cc, 1998cc, 2293cc, 2551cc and 2792cc. The 1.8, 2.0 and 2.6 V6 engines were only fitted in German Ford models, not UK models. In 1989, Ford introduced a redesigned engine in sizes of 2394cc and 2935cc. The 2.9 engine was also used as a basis for the Cosworth 24v quad cam engine.

In the following text, we are only concerning ourselves with the two larger types of V6 engines, although tuning principles remain the same for all sizes of engine. Although slightly less in capacity than the Essex V6, these engines are lighter and more powerful (150bhp) but have less torque or grunt than the Essex. Basically, the 2.9 unit is a longer stroke version of the 2.8, but there are also other subtle differences between these two engines, which makes any interchange of parts very difficult. The 2.8 cylinder head has a 2 port siamese exhaust manifold design as against the more conventional (and better) 3 port design on the 2.9. Like the Essex engine, the 2.8 V6 had the same type of cam drive gear design and the same associated problems. The 2.9 has a much more reliable chain drive for the camshaft. The 2.8 engine can be tuned to a reasonable level (modified cam, staged heads, steel cam gear, etc.) but the poor cylinder head design is its ultimate restricting feature. The American version of this engine was fitted with 3 port heads but such items can be difficult to source in the UK. For those wishing to convert their 2.8s into 2.9s be warned, it is not easy and it is not cheap. Because of the different exhaust porting the camshaft phasing is different (they also rotate in opposite directions to each other). The 2.9 distributor, oil pump and drive shaft will also be required. The differences in the chain and gear drives means that, if you fit the 2.9 crank in the 2.8 engine, the front nose will require modifying. And because of the longer stroke crank, the pistons will protrude approximately 1.5mm above the deck face. The piston crowns can be machined down but this will affect their ultimate strength, especially if the compression ratio is to be raised.



With the 2.8, the con rods are the weak link. HD ARP con rod bolts are essential for over 6000 rpm. A con rod that has been stress relieved and shot peened can rev safely to 6500 rpm. An electronic rev limiter is a must have to prevent the consequences of over-revving. Carburettor engines can get good performance using either the 38DGAS or 40DFI5 and, for the more serious, conversions have been seen using a 4 barrel Holley carb. The inlet manifold on the MFi K-Jetronic injection engine is a serious restriction. The four ‘risers’ basically do not allow for sufficient airflow. Unfortunately there is not enough wall thickness to allow these to be opened out, so the only way to solve this is to build up the outsides with welding. With the risers sufficiently opened out, we have seen instant increases of approx. 15bhp.


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